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古茹戴瓦,我想更换我的衣服。 Gurudeva, I'd like to change my cloth. 我想穿上橙色的衣服(弃绝者之衣)。 I want to put on saffron.
非常,好主意。 Very good. Good idea.
但是,首先你应该尝试去放弃所有的世俗依附。 But first you should try to give up all of your wordly attachment.
还有不要反反复复。 Then not going to here, there, here.
你有家居生活吗? Have you family life ? 没有。 No.
没有妻子?没有孩子? No wife ? No Children ?
我有一个儿子,但他已经16岁了,他和母亲在一起。 I have a son but he is 16. He lives with the mother.
哦,那么你可以拿,然后尝试留在庙宇和他们在一起,与我一起传教。 Oh, so you can take and try to be with them in preaching with me in matha, ashram.
不需要... No need of...
你有房子吗? Have you any house ? 没有。 No.
非常好。 Very good.
你可以待在我们的任何一个庙宇。这里、美国、印度、每一处。 You can be in any temple of ours. Here, America, India, everywhere.
好主意。 Good idea.
但是你要不时地和他们或者我在一起。 But you will have to be with them or with me from time to time.
去传教和聆听哈瑞卡塔(奎师那以及相关命题的叙述) For preaching and hearing Hari Katha.
古茹戴瓦,他为什么来了? Gurudeva, why did he come ?
高文达帕布来了。 Govinda Prabhu has come.
非常淘气。 Very naughty.
他想去拿所有的树木和藤蔓。 He wants to take all trees and creepers.
哦,帕布.高文达! Oh Prabhu Govinda!
他现在没有哭。 He is not now crying. 如果你把他留在那里。 If you would kepp here there.
如果他没有来,他会哭。 If he doesn't come he'll cry.
他会吵醒所有的邻居。 He'll wake up all the neighbors.
但不要太过依附。 But don't be attached so much.
现在你已经50岁了吧? Now you have crossed about 50 ?
刚到。 Just there.
现在我给你橙色的衣服 Now I will give you saffron cloth.
那么快? So soon ?
是的!没那么快。 Yes! Not so soon.
他要去旅行。环球之行。 He's going on tour now. Whole world tour.
他如果和你一起就更好了, Better he should be with you, 和我一起,不是一个人。 with me, not only alone.
他和我一起去。整个旅程。 He is coming with me. For whole world tour.
你应该和他或者我在一起,并开始传教。 You should come with him or me and preach now.
你现在知道那么多的塔瓦(哲学知识)。 You know so many tattvas now. 你应该和他或者我在一起,并开始传教 You should come with him or me and preach now.
你现在知道那么多的塔瓦(哲学知识)。 You know so many tattvas now.
询问你的妻子,看她是否让你穿橙色的衣服。 Ask your wife whether she will allow you to be in saffron cloth or not.
好的。 Ok.
我会去问她。 I'll ask her.
还有向高文达帕布(牛) And also to Govinda Prabhu (the cow).
她之前一直为此做苦行。 She has been doing tapasya for this.
她会拿了房子,想古茹戴瓦 She will take the house thought, Gurudeva 和所有的钱还有银行账户像那个人。 and all the money and bank account like that other person.
但她不会拿高文达 But she won't take Govinda.
到处飞的话会是非常昂贵的。 It will be very expensive to fly around.
我想去收集一些 I want to collect some 贞守生和行脚僧 brahmacaris and vanaprasthi.
为了维护寺院和更多的传教。 For maintaining mathas and preaching more.
斯瓦米吉创造了一个奇迹,我想去重复。 What Swamiji did miracle, I want to repeat.
他的弃绝僧堕落了。无论如何。 His sannyasi fell down. Anyhow.
但是我希望我的弃绝僧... But I want that my sannyasi... 他们之中没有一个会堕落。 none of them should fall down.
而且他们应该对古茹戴瓦、师徒传系忠诚。 And they should be loyal to Gurudeva, Guru Parampara.
完全没有不同的看法 Not of different opinions all.
而且我希望所有都有爱心 And I want that as all have affection 并依附于我... and attachment to me...
所有人都应该依附他们,包括弃绝僧。 All should [have] attachment to them also梞y sannyasis.
在每一方面都是一个完美的弃绝僧。 Ideal sannyasi in every respect.
他想加入我们。 He wants to join us.
他很出名。 He's famous. 来自澳大利亚? From Australia ? 悉尼。 Sydney.
非常好。 Very good.
在帕布帕德的维亚萨典礼的那天。 On Prabhupada's vyasa puja.
今年我在帕布帕德的维亚萨典礼。 I was at Prabhupada's Vyasa-puja this year.
它是在哥库拉.玛哈宛纳举行。 It was held in Gokula Mahavana.
所有的高迪亚人士都来去了荣耀吗? And all Gaudiyas they came there to glorify 巴克提希丹塔.萨茹阿斯瓦缇.塔库举行了两天。 Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura for two days.
有一个托钵僧说... So one sannyasi he was saying that...
当帕布帕德把乌帕迪给门徒的时候 when Prabhupada gave upadi to the disciples
它相当于种姓制度当中的戴维。 It was related to the daivi varnasrama dharma.
他说那就像巴克提.萨润嘎.哥斯瓦米.玛哈茹阿杰。 He said that like Bhakti Saranga Goswami Maharaja..
所以帕布帕德给了"Arya Shrestha"的称号。 so Prabhupada gave title 'Arya Shrestha'.
所以这里的"Arya Shrestha"是和外夏相关的。 So here arya shrestha related to the vaisya.
甚至对他也没有Arya Shrestha No Arya Shrestha to him even.
他给了在尤嘎琵塔建造庙宇的那个人。 He gave to who made temple in Yogapitha.
巴克提.维拉斯.缇尔塔.玛哈茹阿杰? Bhakti Vilasa Tirtha Maharaja ? 不,不,不。 No, no, no.
萨祺.查冉.茹阿亚。 Sakhi Caran Raya. 而他并没有直接把钱给帕布帕德。 And he did not give any money to Prabhupada directly.
他建造了庙宇,所以给了他Shrestha Arya He built temple, so he gave him Shrestha Arya.
没有给萨润嘎.哥斯瓦米.玛哈茹阿杰。从来没有。 Not to Saranga Goswami Maharaja. Never.
他说他给了巴克提.泊莫德.普瑞.玛哈茹阿杰称号 He said he gave the title to Bhakti Promode Puri Maharaja.
或任何一个"Maha Upadesaka"。和婆罗门相应。 or anyone "Maha Upadesaka". Related to brahmin.
不,不。Upadesaka不是婆罗门。 No No. Upadesaka not brahmin.
他向师祖说... And to Param Gurudeva he said...
如果我在那里的话,我会反驳他所有的论点。 If I was there I would have cut up his all arguments.
我变得有些生气。他向师祖说Krti Ratna I became some angry. He said to Param Gurudeva Krti Ratna. krti这个词指的是刹帝利 This word krti referred to ksatriya.
我会反驳他所有的论点 I would have cut his all arguments.
你当时有没有说什么? Did you told something ?
我和我们的奉献者说了 I told to our devotees. 没跟他? Not to him ?
没有在公众集会。 Not in public assembly. 没有在公众集会向每个人说 Not in public assembly to everyone.
依照...kriti ratna意思是...kriti According... Kriti Ratna means... kriti.
因为我们都是托钵僧...为什么给种姓的呢? Because all our sannyasis...why give the varnasrama...?
这里是bhakti up kriti bhakti upi kriti here.
在他的ratna In this he's ratna.
皇冠上的瑰宝 Crown jewel.
或许他不是处于好的联谊。 Perhaps he was not in good association.
那就是他这样说的原因。 That is why he told.
古茹戴瓦,我也曾经听说在圣帕布帕德.巴克提悉丹塔的年代 Srila Gurudeva, I've also heard that during the time of Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura
他有一个训示灵性导师的系统成为Upadesaka, Maha Upadesaka, Maha Mahopadesaka. He had a system of siksa gurus called Upadesaka, Maha Upadesaka, Maha Mahopadesaka.
不,不。那些在传教的人们。 No, no. Those who were preaching. 他会给这些称号给他们。 For them he gave these titles.
Upadesaka, Maha Upadesaka, Maha Mahopadesaka, Maha Mahopadhyaya.
那时还有培训和教程。 There was training and discourses.
灵魂的天职、Hari Bhakti Vilasa、 Ujjvala Nilamani Jaiva Dharma, Hari Bhakti Vilasa, Ujjvala Nilamani.
很多的书籍。 So many books.
他们曾经保持一个标准 They used to keep a standard. 而那些通过的人们 and those who would pass.
他会给一个称号叫Upadesaka And then he would give the title of Upadesaka. 那样他可以去传教 That he may preach.
Maha Mahopadesaka就更高了 Maha Mahopadesaka was more than that.
他们会学习然后考试? They would study and do test?
我们是从我们的灵性导师那里听到的,他之前一直服务着帕布帕德。 We have heard from our Gurudeva who was always serving Prabhupada.
非常亲密,非常亲密,比其他人都亲密。 Very near, very near. More than anyone.
而帕布帕德(巴克提悉丹塔)是那么的爱他。 And Prabhupada (Bhaktisiddhanta) loved him so much.
所以我们知道许多人不知道的东西。 So we know so many things that others do not know.
为什么他们不像我们那样地去深入呢? And they don't go deeply into anything as we go.
巴茹阿缇.玛哈茹阿杰你知道吗?缇尔塔.玛哈拉杰? Bharati Maharaja you know ? Tirtha Maharaja ?
他们无法这样子讲。 They cannot tell like this.
施瑞拉.玛达瓦.玛哈茹阿杰的巴茹阿缇.玛哈茹阿杰不会这样子讲 Srila Madhava Maharaja's Bharati Maharaja will not tell like this.
他们是siddhanta-vit。(意思是巴茹阿缇.玛哈茹阿杰和缇尔塔.玛哈拉杰不会说谎) They are siddhanta-vit. (he is saying that Srila Bharti and Tirtha Maharaja would not say anything bogus)
说这话的那个托钵僧是谁? Who was that sannyasi who told this?
古茹戴瓦你知道的,巴克提.外度亚.巴嘎瓦.玛哈茹阿杰 You know Gurudeva, Bhakti Vaidhurya Bhagavat Maharaja.
来自哥斯达尼加,他去了那里传教。 From Costa Rica, who went there for preaching.
他认为自己是关于高迪亚庙宇历史的历史学者。 He thinks that he is a historian scholar on history of Gaudiya Math.
但是他的灵性导师不接受他。 But his Gurudeva rejected him.
在茹阿玛南达.萨瓦的最后部分,玛哈帕布被问到... In last part of Ramananda Samvad Mahaprabhu asked to...
噢,如果你不不拉着他的绳子,他会追随你吗? Oh, if you will not take his rope, will he follow you ?
噢,是的,他会追随,这只是... Oh yeah he'll follow, it's just...
如果你放开他的绳索,他会追随你吗? If you give up his rope, will he follow you or not ?
他会追随我,但是他会混在所有的奉献者当中。 He will follow me, but he'll get in amongst all the devotees.
是的。放弃。 Accha. Give up.
在茹阿玛南达.萨瓦的最后部分,玛哈帕布问了这个问题 In the last part of Raya Ramanada Samvad Mahaprabhu asked the question...
什么是最好的kirti?然后他说奎师那.巴克提.波利亚,以奎师那.巴克提而著称的人。 What is best kirti? Then he told krsna bhakti boliya梬ho is famous by Krishna bhakti.
kriti来自kriti之中。 From kirti to kriti has come.
所以在帕布帕德的奉献者之中,谁成为了皇冠上的瑰宝,帕布帕德给了师祖Kriti Ratna这个称号。 So among devotees of Prabhupada who became crown jewel, Prabhupada gave param Gurudeva Kriti Ratna. This title.
非常好。 Glorious.
古茹吉,昨天晚上你说到 Guruji, last night you said 当你向你的古茹戴瓦提问,那... that when you would ask questions to your Gurudeva, that...
他会回答你。 he would answer you.
但是对施瑞拉.崔维卡玛.玛哈茹阿杰,他不会回答。 But to Srila Trivikrama Maharaja, he would not answer.
不,他以前是回答的,但... No he used to answer, but...
有时不。 Sometimes not.
他曾经说,我想阅读维丹塔,请教导我们。 He used to tell that I want to read Vedanta, so please teach us.
"哦,你可以去看" 'Oh you can go and read'
古茹是否对一些门徒有特别的爱意? Does Guru have extra affection for some disciples ?
这有可能,根据他的忠诚。 It may be, according to his loyalty.
肯定的。为何不是这样呢? Certainly. Why not ?
古茹不是对每个人都一样吗? Not Guru is same to everyone ?
不。 No. 古茹不是对每个人都一样吗? Not Guru is same to everyone ?
不 No.
奎师那并不是真的samadarsi Krsna is not really samadarsi.
因为那些给予了整个心意的, Because those who have given fully heart,
bhakta paradhina Bhakta paradhina
但是所有...他不是对所有都paradhina But all...he is not paradhina to all.
他并没有给予一切。 He has not given everything.
像茹阿迪卡,他并没有全部去爱。 Like Radhika he cannot love to all.
所以他怎么会这样(平等对待所有人)?所以古茹也是一样的。 So how can he be (equal to all)? So Guru also.
根据忠诚和程度,他会给。 According to loyalty and standard he will give.
因为如果奎师那是在回报的。 Because if Krsna is reciprocating.
所以,那么他真正是对每个人平等,他没有visama dosa。 So then he is actually equal to everyone, he has no visama dosa.
visama dosa,书上也有说 Visama dosa, but it has been told also 所以他事实上是平等对待每一个人,他没有visama dosa So then he is actually equal to everyone, he has no visama dosa.
visama dosa,但是书上也这样说 Visama dosa, but it has been told also
说他是paradhina,为什么不这样说别人呢? that he is paradhina, why not to others ?
因为他们不是paradhina对他,所以他没有paradhina对他们 Because they are not paradhina to him. So He is not paradhina to them.
ye yatha mam prapadyante tams tathavia bhajami aham.
古茹也是 Gurudeva also. ye yatha mam prapadyante tams tathavia bhajami aham.
古茹戴瓦也是 Gurudeva also.
有一次,我听你说... One time i heard you say...
古茹的主要职责是平等看待所有的门徒。 The main duty of the Guru is to see all disciples equally.
是的。平等。但它同时也自然而然地到来。 Yes. Equal. But also automatically it will come.
那些给予更多的人... Those who have given more...
一些比其他人更平等。 Some are more equal than others.
太阳是平等对待所有人的。 The sun is equal to all.
但是那些待在房子里的让人。 But those who have been in house.
像夜鹰。 Like owl.
他怎么能呢? How can he be ?
对那些总是在太阳之中的人,他会给予阳光。 Those who are always in the sun, to them he will give light.
所以太阳是平等的。 So Sun is equal.
有一次... One time...
我为施瑞拉.崔维卡玛.玛哈茹阿杰 I went to buy some tiffin for 买些午餐 Srila Trivikrama Maharaja.
他大约说了10次 And maybe ten times he said "不好,不好,你再去,你再去。" 'No good, no good, you go again, you go again.'
什么? What?
午餐盒子 Tiffin carrier.
接着有一次,他跟我说, Then one time he told me,
师祖要他去买些鞋子。 Param Gurudeva told him to buy some shoes.
他来回去商店跑了15次 So he went fifteen times to the shop.
但师祖总是说 But Param Gurudeva always said "这错了,这错了" 'This is wrong, this is wrong'.
他说当你买了第一双鞋,他说"噢,这很好" He said when you bought the first pair, he said 'Oh this is good.'
他之前那样说? He used to tell?
是的 Yes.
所以我问到:"为什么你的古茹这样做呢?" So I asked, 'Why did your Gurudeva do that?'
而施瑞拉.崔维卡玛.玛哈茹阿杰说:"噢,不,你永远不能问为什么。" And Srila Trivikrama Maharaja said 'Oh, no you can never ask why.'
崔维卡玛.玛哈茹阿杰曾经哭着说 Trivikrama Maharaja used to weep and tell...
"你给了生命。我们给不了生命。" that 'You gave life. We could not give life.'
而他曾经说 And he used to tell...
"那就是为什么古茹戴瓦如此地喜欢你。" 'That is why Gurudeva liked you so much.'
曾经有一个门徒叫阿南嘎。你或许... There was a disciple Ananga. You perhaps...
阿南嘎.莫汉.布茹阿曼查瑞 Ananga Mohan Brahmacari.
他得了肺结核。流血。 He had tuberculosis. Blood coming.
(师祖)照顾着那个男孩。 (Param Gurudeva) was serving that boy.
尽管他是他的门徒,他照顾着他。 Even though he was his disciple, he was serving him.
我说:"我会去照顾他" I told that, 'I will serve him.'
但没有人准备去。 But no one was ready to go.
只有一个巴巴吉 Only one babaji...
崔管那提提 Trigunatiti.
还有我 And I did.
而我也得了肺结核。 And I got tuberculosis.
接着我接受了治疗 And then my treatment was performed.
崔维卡玛曾经这样说 So Trivikrama Maharaja used to tell this.
不仅仅是我,你们都应该说 Not only to me, to all you should say.
崔维卡玛.玛哈茹阿杰是我亲密的朋友,甚至比瓦门那.玛哈茹阿杰更亲密。更多 Trivikrama Maharaja was my *** friend, even more than Vamana Maharaja. More than that.
我们曾经争吵。 We used to quarrel.
互相反驳对方。 Cutting each others arguments.
但是对瓦门那.玛哈茹阿杰,我从来没有这样做。 But with Vamana Maharaja I never did that.
但是和崔维卡玛.玛哈茹阿杰,甚至在课堂之中。 But with Trivikrama Maharaja even during classes.
Samudragarh.
每一处 Everywhere.
有时你说他会 Sometimes you said he would 离开你的课, walk out of your class,
但之后他回来,又坐下了! and afterwards he would come back and sit again!
有时,我在荣耀茹阿迪卡。 Sometimes I was glorifying Radhika,
他会拿走我的麦克风。 and he would take my mic.
我记得有一次在那瓦兑帕 I remember one time in Navadwip
你们所有人,施瑞拉.瓦门那.玛哈茹阿杰和施瑞拉.崔维卡玛.玛哈茹阿杰坐在一起。 All of you, Srila Vamana Maharaja and Srila Trivikrama Maharaja were sitting together.
在朝圣开始前坐在一起 sitting together in the beginning of parikrama
哪里? Where?
那瓦兑帕。第一天。 In Navadwipa. First day.
接着,施瑞拉.崔维卡玛.玛哈茹阿杰拿了麦克风并说:"我有一个问题" Then Srila Trivikrama Maharaja took the mic and he said, 'I have one question,'
"如果茹阿妲茹阿妮是这么好,那么为什么奎师那离开她并去见灿焯瓦妮呢?" 'If Radharani is so good, then why does Krsna leave her and go to Chandravali?'
让他来 Let him come
或许他是处于友伴之情,古茹戴瓦,因为他喜欢放牛。 Perhaps he's in sakhya rasa Gurudeva, because he likes cow grazing.
有一次... Once...
一些帕布帕德的门徒 some disciples of Prabhupada...
谈论着关于帕布帕德的事情 were speaking something about Prabhupada.
接着我讲了一些话 and then I spoke something.
他们跟我说:"你资历尚浅。" They told me, 'You are so junior.'
"你见过帕布帕德吗?" 'Have you seen Prabhupada?'
我跟他们说:"是的,我见过帕布帕德。" I said to them, 'Yes I have seen Prabhupada.'
"从来没有!" 'Never!'
达善有两种 There is two kinds of darshans.
通过耳朵和通过眼睛 By ear and by eyes.
通过眼睛去看会被骗。 Seeing by eyes will cheat.
但这不会骗 But this will not cheat.
如果你通过具备资格的讲述者而听说某个人。 If you have heard about anyone by qualified person, speaker.
那么耳朵是更高阶。 Then ears are more high class.
你通过眼睛去看 You have seen by your eyes,
但我是从我的古茹戴瓦那里听到关于帕布帕德的事迹 but I have heard from my Gurudeva about Prabhupada.
所以我知道的比你更清楚 So I know better than you. 但我从我的古茹戴瓦那里聆听关于帕布帕德。 but I have heard from my Gurudeva about Prabhupada.
所以我知道的比你清楚。 So I know better than you.
接着他们去到古茹戴瓦那里抱怨... And they went to Gurudeva and complained...
说他资历尚浅而且他这样说话 that he is so junior and he is speaking like this.
哦,他跟你说的是对的。 Oh he has told your right.
你那时在庙里带了多久? How many years had you been in the math at that time?
你的资历那时是有多浅? How much junior were you ?
哦,只有两三年。 Oh, only two or three years.
但所有人那时都是从我那里聆听 But all used to fear me.
有一次,帕布帕德的门徒,帕瓦塔.玛哈茹阿杰 Once Parvata Maharaja, the disciple of Srila Prabhupada.
他是非常好的演讲者,他是奥瑞亚人,四处传教 Very good speaker. He was Oriya, preaching here and there.
他来到去见我们的古茹戴瓦。 And he came to see our Gurudeva.
我只是刚刚加入庙里六个月而已 I had only come to the math six months before.
他来了,是中午,他打算去休息 He came and midday he was going to take rest.
而我就在那里 And I was there.
接着...他问了一些问题 Then... He asked some questions.
我回答了,接着我又被问到一些关于灵魂科学的问题 I answered, and then I asked about jiva tattva.
"什么是边际能量?" 'What is tatastha shakti?'
然后,接着他开始去回答 And then he began to reply.
但我并不满足(他的回答) But I was not satisfied (with his answer.)
争论、争论、争论。 Argument, argument, argument. 这个那个的。 This, that.
怎么会这样呢? How can it be?
他无法满足我 He could not satisfy me.
然后他去到古茹戴瓦那里说 And he went to Gurudeva and told
"哦,你的门徒非常聪明。" 'Oh very intelligent your disciple.'
"我搞不定他" 'I could not satisfy him.'
接着他说只有你的古茹戴瓦能满足你,其他人做不到。 And he told only your Gurudeva will satisfy you. None can do that.
古茹戴瓦能满足。其他人做不到 Gurudeva will satisfy. No one can.
开始的时候,我曾经每个都接受 From beginning I used to accept everything.
怀着辩论和一切 with arguments and everything...
我从来没有不经过争辩就从古茹戴瓦那里接受的 I never accepted anything from Gurudeva also [without] argument.
很容易他就习惯了。 And very easily he used to.